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"In India, God can be both male or female. The Hindu and Buddhist goddesses represent the biggest collection of living goddesses of any kind on the planet. Feminists from the West often get attracted towards the goddesses of South Asian cultures as theological or religious resources in the contemporary rediscovery of the Goddess. even thou these South Asian goddesses are result of a male supremacist society"
Prisni:
If it is one thing that irritates me, it is the inability of the western mind to accept any other thought than their own. Just read "Yet, these goddesses are products of a male supremacist society."
The goddesses are not a product of the human mind, or society, as little as the atom is a product of society. Society observes nature around us, and make conclusions, but does society create that nature? The goddesses is a description of nature that is around us, and here I mean nature in its widest sense. We look at the world around us, and then we create images and descriptions. These images and descriptions are a picture of what we see, a kind of approximation. This so that another human, seeing the same thing, will recognize the image or description.
We observe the cosmic energy, Shakti, and then we describe it as a Goddess. If the scientist can't see that energy like that, maybe he should try harder. People who are not scientists cannot see the atom either. Does that mean that the atom is a creation of the scientist? No, he can prescribe a method with which anyone can see the atom. So there is also a prescribed a method so that anyone can see the supreme female energy, Shakti.
The only limitation is the limitation we make on ourselves. How we decide how we want to limit ourselves, and then we will be thus limited.
Once we know about the atom, we can utilize it for our purposes. It is available for that. And once we know about the cosmic energy Shakti, we can utilise that for our purposes. It is as simple as that. The only problem is that the atom is an energy inferior to us, and Shakti is an energy superior to us.
Shakti has personality. That might come as a surprise to some, that think that we are the only personalities in existence. Or maybe as a misunderstanding of what personality is. In hindu teachings every superior energy has personality. Thus all the different gods as persons. That can make one think. Since if superior energies have personality, and energies on our level (us) have personality, maybe personality is simply a characteristic of energy. Which means that possibly even inferior energy has personality. Does an ant have personality? Possibly. But it is inferior to us, and we don't really care. Does an atom have personality? If personality is an intrinsic characteristic of energy, yes.
People that are not scientists have figured out this relationships thousands of years ago,. They try to please the superior energies, their gods, and they get benefits in return. It is so simple that understanding it is child game .
And it works. It is also how we work. If someone really tries to please us, we kind of get obliged to be kind to that person and give benefit. We get in debt. So the same way with the gods. Make offerings to them, and they get in debt to you. It is a kind of cosmic law, in the relationship between personalities.
The thought can be mindboggling. But it is simple. Let's see, everything is various manifestations of energy. That we know, and the scientists have already figured that out. Now add to that, that personality is an attribute of energy... Which means ... Everything has personality. The illusion of Maya is that there are dead things for our exploitation. But then, there are no dead things. Everything is alive with personality and energy. There is a unity of everything like that. Due to illusion, things just appear different, but actually are all of the same quality. There is the oneness. There is brahman.
Mary Ann
"The goddesses are not a product of the human mind, or society, as little as the atom is a product of society. Society observes nature around us, and make conclusions, but does society create that nature?"
At one point, mathematics proved the earth was flat. That is because the people making the observations observed the "edge" of the earth at the horizon line, and science, math, etc. followed accordingly. At another point, another idea came into being, and mathematics grew to explain the world as spherical.
You made a point in an earlier post that what we want to use the system for is important, too. Science uses its descriptions of reality to invent things, whether good or bad for society (e.g. microwave ovens, bombs). Spiritual concepts (or descriptions of reality) are used to invent things, too: prescriptions, proscriptions, explanations for behavior. For whatever differences may exist between the eastern and western mind, the question can still be asked: what do we do with our respective descriptions of reality, and what is the result?
Prisni:
If it is one thing that irritates me, it is the inability of the western mind to accept any other thought than their own. Just read "Yet, these goddesses are products of a male supremacist society."
The goddesses are not a product of the human mind, or society, as little as the atom is a product of society. Society observes nature around us, and make conclusions, but does society create that nature? The goddesses is a description of nature that is around us, and here I mean nature in its widest sense. We look at the world around us, and then we create images and descriptions. These images and descriptions are a picture of what we see, a kind of approximation. This so that another human, seeing the same thing, will recognize the image or description.
We observe the cosmic energy, Shakti, and then we describe it as a Goddess. If the scientist can't see that energy like that, maybe he should try harder. People who are not scientists cannot see the atom either. Does that mean that the atom is a creation of the scientist? No, he can prescribe a method with which anyone can see the atom. So there is also a prescribed a method so that anyone can see the supreme female energy, Shakti.
The only limitation is the limitation we make on ourselves. How we decide how we want to limit ourselves, and then we will be thus limited.
Once we know about the atom, we can utilize it for our purposes. It is available for that. And once we know about the cosmic energy Shakti, we can utilise that for our purposes. It is as simple as that. The only problem is that the atom is an energy inferior to us, and Shakti is an energy superior to us.
Shakti has personality. That might come as a surprise to some, that think that we are the only personalities in existence. Or maybe as a misunderstanding of what personality is. In hindu teachings every superior energy has personality. Thus all the different gods as persons. That can make one think. Since if superior energies have personality, and energies on our level (us) have personality, maybe personality is simply a characteristic of energy. Which means that possibly even inferior energy has personality. Does an ant have personality? Possibly. But it is inferior to us, and we don't really care. Does an atom have personality? If personality is an intrinsic characteristic of energy, yes.
People that are not scientists have figured out this relationships thousands of years ago,. They try to please the superior energies, their gods, and they get benefits in return. It is so simple that understanding it is child game .
And it works. It is also how we work. If someone really tries to please us, we kind of get obliged to be kind to that person and give benefit. We get in debt. So the same way with the gods. Make offerings to them, and they get in debt to you. It is a kind of cosmic law, in the relationship between personalities.
The thought can be mindboggling. But it is simple. Let's see, everything is various manifestations of energy. That we know, and the scientists have already figured that out. Now add to that, that personality is an attribute of energy... Which means ... Everything has personality. The illusion of Maya is that there are dead things for our exploitation. But then, there are no dead things. Everything is alive with personality and energy. There is a unity of everything like that. Due to illusion, things just appear different, but actually are all of the same quality. There is the oneness. There is brahman.
Mary Ann
"The goddesses are not a product of the human mind, or society, as little as the atom is a product of society. Society observes nature around us, and make conclusions, but does society create that nature?"
At one point, mathematics proved the earth was flat. That is because the people making the observations observed the "edge" of the earth at the horizon line, and science, math, etc. followed accordingly. At another point, another idea came into being, and mathematics grew to explain the world as spherical.
You made a point in an earlier post that what we want to use the system for is important, too. Science uses its descriptions of reality to invent things, whether good or bad for society (e.g. microwave ovens, bombs). Spiritual concepts (or descriptions of reality) are used to invent things, too: prescriptions, proscriptions, explanations for behavior. For whatever differences may exist between the eastern and western mind, the question can still be asked: what do we do with our respective descriptions of reality, and what is the result?
